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Instant change from drop to climb after 1.2 patch

By @Nettework
    2023-07-01 05:37:36.124Z

    Hi, I mentioned this on the MSFS forum but reporting this here too. It seems like with the new flight model the Osprey sometimes feels like it has zero mass, it's able to instantly dart up and down when hovering if you abruptly move the throttle:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kMs6pU9oQc

    I don't know if I'm in the minority but I preferred when the aircraft felt heavy and more challenging to fly, this feels very arcadish.

    • 5 replies
    1. Interesting, I've never noticed this issue. Perhaps I havent tried to move the throttle fast enough (my throttle quadrant has quite a bit of friction so this wouldn't be possible)

      I'll get this fixed

      1. In reply toNettework:
        Miltech Simulations @MiltechSimulations
          2023-07-01 14:53:03.359Z2023-07-01 15:15:10.620Z

          Right, so here’s the problem:

          Previous thottle model (before v1.2.0) was based on engine RPM. This resulted in the throttle not being “perfectly linear” as the engines must reach some RPM threshold where lift begins to act. This was particularly challenging for some, especially at landings, since control wasn’t fine enough.

          The new throttle model bypasses the RPMs and instead uses a linear increment of the aircraft altitude on VTOL. Essentially, there is a linear relationship between throttle and vertical speed. This allows for easier handling of the aircraft on VTOL, but with no friction and aggressive changes in throttle, results in the video above. There is essentially no ramp-up of the engines.

          There are a few ways of addressing this. Changing the linearity of the relationship and going for something that inherently adds a “ramp up” could be an option (eg. going for an exponential increase instead of linear). There is also the option of adding a dampening function. Regardless, both are quite complex options and will require some time to R&D.

          Ultimately it seems a matter of personal choice. For me and most people, it seems that the current flight model works fine - as long as your throttle has some friction, power is not added aggressively and perhaps you tweak the sensibility curve slightly to your liking, the aircraft will handle just fine. We can also make available the old throttle flight model, so if a customer prefers the RPM-Based model, it can be used instead.

          1. We will be trying out a few things to improve the power curve on VTOL. Also important to mention, this issue only occurs when airspeed is nearly zero, as soon as the aircraft gains some lift from the wings, the issue disappears.

          2. In reply toNettework:

            A potential fix is currently undergoing testing. It is based on the linear throttle design from V1.2.0, but adding a dampening function.

            If it all works as expected, will be released early next week.

            1. Just an update on the Throttle changes. The new throttle mode works very well and its a lot more realistic, with engines spooling up and taking time to react, as they should.

              However, this fix does affect VRS as well, and therefore requires more work before it’s released. As a consequence of the fix, now the aircraft cannot recover from VRS, due to the way VRS recovery is programmed. We continue working on it.

            2. Progress
            3. @MiltechSimulations closed this topic 2023-07-06 08:32:57.348Z.