MH60 with non selfcentering joystick
Hi, I use the Puma Pro Trainer which has no Nullzone because it is not selfcentering. So the autopilot functions never work proberly because they get a little input from the stick. Is there a solution to fly the MH60 with the Puma? Thx for any hints.
- SFred Nikles @selkin
Use FS24 Stock Force Trim as mentioned in manual p.40. I'll give it a try... sry for posting too early.
- SIn reply toselkin⬆:Fred Nikles @selkin
Well, still no joy in getting the MH60 in a 120KIAS forward flight holding the ALT without any joystick input. The over all feeling is like an iron with wings in my opinion. There's a lot to do in respect to the flight model I think...
Miltech Simulations @MiltechSimulationsWhat AP Mode are you using?
The helicopter is very stable as per the real one, but for your hardware make sure TRIM (next to SAS 1/2) is always off.
In reply toselkin⬆:Miltech Simulations @MiltechSimulationsAutopilot should work just fine with a springless system. Just make sure that TRIM button on the autopilot console is always deactivated (This function is only meant to be used with selfcentering sticks), and that you have properly configured your force trim.
- SIn reply toselkin⬆:Fred Nikles @selkin
Thx for your hint. Yes, I had TRIM ON.
But this was not the only mistake I found. The MH60 was shown als MSFS2020 within MSFS2024. This was because I installed both the versions in the same external folder with Contrail. I did now a fresh install in the MSFS2024 standard directory and now see the MH60 as native MSFS2024 model.
With Force Trim OFF (released), SAS1 and 2 ON, TRIM OFF, AP ON and BARO ALT ON while on 1700ft and KIAS between 120 and 140 I see the MH60 still bouncing between 1620ft. an 1780ft. I don't think this is what you mean by "stable". So I must be doing something wrong. Any further hints are welcome.- Miltech Simulations @MiltechSimulations
as per described, it sounds like its working correctly now.
A few observations for Baro mode:- Enable BARO as closely to 0 feet per minute as possible. This will avoid the initial oscillations induced when its engaged at high FPM.
- After engaged, drop your collective to 0. Make sure to have a 2-5% extremity deadzone on your collective axis. This will eliminate any interference between the collective and the AFCS System
- SIn reply toselkin⬆:Fred Nikles @selkin
Yesssss that did it. Thx a lot for your support.
Spikes from my Collective Axis hindered AFCS System to work properly. Holding ALT now very precisely.
The VS follows very very very slowly and late (up to 5s) to changes in pitch. This might be why ALT hold is done with Collective rather than cyclic...
BTW a yellow "UTIL ON" indication on the left screen is normal isn't it?- Miltech Simulations @MiltechSimulations
UTIL ON is the Utility Hyd Pump, on the aft overhead panel.
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